--------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2103792787 Channel Name: Group Chat (strang, Velios, Arsenio) Listener: Daroh Session started: 2005.12.08 23:11:35 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2005.12.08 23:11:55 ] Daroh > hi [ 2005.12.08 23:12:00 ] Velios > hello sir [ 2005.12.08 23:12:39 ] Daroh > what do u want from RA? [ 2005.12.08 23:12:44 ] Arsenio > Difficultly everything, very much and very difficultly [ 2005.12.08 23:13:07 ] Velios > How much do you know of the situation Daroh [ 2005.12.08 23:13:44 ] Arsenio > He know many he is one of concils and old rustem member from the times of curse [ 2005.12.08 23:13:47 ] Velios > hello warRages [ 2005.12.08 23:13:52 ] Daroh > i know that some freadnoughts are near and in our regions etc and u wanna region ) [ 2005.12.08 23:13:56 ] Daroh > *dread [ 2005.12.08 23:14:13 ] Velios > ho's dreads? [ 2005.12.08 23:14:17 ] Velios > who's? [ 2005.12.08 23:14:24 ] Daroh > Enslaver for ex [ 2005.12.08 23:14:43 ] Velios > he controls the shinra dread, i think he parked in CL [ 2005.12.08 23:14:51 ] Velios > anyway [ 2005.12.08 23:14:53 ] Daroh > 8G i think [ 2005.12.08 23:15:21 ] Velios > maybe, they wouldnt tell me where they put it [ 2005.12.08 23:15:26 ] Velios > they are funny like that [ 2005.12.08 23:15:29 ] Daroh > anyway i dont understand what u want from and for RA? [ 2005.12.08 23:16:03 ] Velios > i thought a post had been made on RA forum by Corak explaining the situation? [ 2005.12.08 23:16:06 ] Daroh > and why we should give u region? [ 2005.12.08 23:16:13 ] Velios > oh so you do know [ 2005.12.08 23:16:16 ] Arsenio > well my friends lets leave aside children's conversations on a theme as " i wanna to ourselves the new house", what you wish to do ours, hmmm your region [ 2005.12.08 23:16:42 ] Velios > here is the question [ 2005.12.08 23:17:39 ] Velios > Are you fine people willing to share Insemother with us under a strong nap, defending the region against all comers. Rather than have a bitter war that would last for months over the region [ 2005.12.08 23:18:05 ] Daroh > hm [ 2005.12.08 23:18:23 ] Arsenio > why not join us and we'll do this [ 2005.12.08 23:18:34 ] Velios > join the RA? [ 2005.12.08 23:18:42 ] Arsenio > yes [ 2005.12.08 23:19:18 ] Arsenio > We shall give you one station and all will be fair [ 2005.12.08 23:19:19 ] Velios > its all foreign language isnt it? We had expected to create a new alliance. [ 2005.12.08 23:19:42 ] Velios > comprising of M.Corp Shinra and the UK Corp [ 2005.12.08 23:20:10 ] Daroh > Арсенио зайди в тс, можешь? [ 2005.12.08 23:20:18 ] Velios > the alliance has forward thinking goals, and unlike the five is not intended to be an aggressive entity [ 2005.12.08 23:20:33 ] Arsenio > oh yes and what this will be [ 2005.12.08 23:20:41 ] Arsenio > the 5 - 2? [ 2005.12.08 23:20:42 ] Velios > we are pretty sure ATUK would make an enemy of us for leaving them too [ 2005.12.08 23:21:00 ] Velios > we have not come to an agreement on a name [ 2005.12.08 23:21:51 ] Daroh > Velios [ 2005.12.08 23:22:04 ] Daroh > u can say u only that we will never talk in that way [ 2005.12.08 23:22:12 ] Daroh > *i can say [ 2005.12.08 23:22:40 ] Daroh > we will not selling regions for peace [ 2005.12.08 23:22:51 ] Arsenio > We confer [ 2005.12.08 23:23:40 ] Arsenio > well [ 2005.12.08 23:23:40 ] WarRages > I just dont undertsand how you think we can give up a RA region just to have a NAP with you guys [ 2005.12.08 23:23:45 ] Daroh > why u say that if we dont give u region the war will start? it makes me feel that better we should start war [ 2005.12.08 23:23:48 ] Velios > by the way, what were Hassis and Corak's views on this? [ 2005.12.08 23:24:04 ] Velios > i was under the impression that they were open to letting us have the region? [ 2005.12.08 23:24:09 ] Daroh > we dont need Hassis and Coraks view [ 2005.12.08 23:24:17 ] Velios > but surely... [ 2005.12.08 23:24:17 ] Daroh > Corak is not leader of RA any more [ 2005.12.08 23:24:26 ] Velios > he says he is [ 2005.12.08 23:24:45 ] Velios > effectively we were offered insemother by hassis [ 2005.12.08 23:24:55 ] Velios > in a conversation a few days ago [ 2005.12.08 23:24:55 ] WarRages > i spoke with corak yesterday and i know his feelings but its not for me to talk for him [ 2005.12.08 23:24:56 ] Daroh > not, yesterday he say that he dont want to be leader any more [ 2005.12.08 23:25:03 ] Velios > why would he do that without authority? [ 2005.12.08 23:25:04 ] Arsenio > Forget abou Corak [ 2005.12.08 23:25:39 ] Velios > this is all very confusing [ 2005.12.08 23:25:45 ] WarRages > hears my point Velios [ 2005.12.08 23:25:54 ] Arsenio > We respect each member of an alliance and any important decision carefully we consider [ 2005.12.08 23:26:27 ] WarRages > You guys have shot at us for a long time and you say yes but were "Friends", well last time i checked friends dont do this [ 2005.12.08 23:26:29 ] Velios > people claiming to be leader, making decisions which admittedly effect a lot of people andthen a mutiny starts [ 2005.12.08 23:26:31 ] Daroh > Velios, RA never will give u region if u will talk in that what didnt u understand that? we can fight or u think we could not ? we never surrender, look the maps of 5 vs RA war, sometimes we dont have any region but we fight anyway [ 2005.12.08 23:26:57 ] Velios > a fool looks at the maps [ 2005.12.08 23:26:58 ] Daroh > its in our heart, we cant surrender [ 2005.12.08 23:27:03 ] Velios > the maps tells us nothing [ 2005.12.08 23:27:33 ] Daroh > u dont ask for region, u say if we dont give u it u will start war - am i understand right? [ 2005.12.08 23:27:43 ] Velios > dont be so proud of the huge expanse of red on that map, because it is not defended [ 2005.12.08 23:28:24 ] Daroh > and? [ 2005.12.08 23:28:29 ] WarRages > why should not RA be proud its territory we fought hard to gain [ 2005.12.08 23:28:42 ] Velios > and it will fall to any corp that tries to take it [ 2005.12.08 23:28:48 ] Daroh > u can conquer GW [ 2005.12.08 23:28:55 ] Velios > you didnt fight for half of it mate, most of it was deserted [ 2005.12.08 23:29:02 ] Daroh > if u will we will set u + [ 2005.12.08 23:29:36 ] Daroh > Velios [ 2005.12.08 23:29:46 ] Daroh > so i see all the problem [ 2005.12.08 23:30:44 ] Arsenio > Let bygones be bygones, but [ 2005.12.08 23:30:48 ] Arsenio > I would not like to receive a knife in a back the second time [ 2005.12.08 23:30:50 ] Daroh > its threat of war and we are not cowards [ 2005.12.08 23:31:05 ] Velios > it is not a threat of war [ 2005.12.08 23:31:08 ] Velios > you will notice [ 2005.12.08 23:31:20 ] Velios > that all mcorp pilots have been called back to hlw [ 2005.12.08 23:31:25 ] Velios > so peace talks can happen [ 2005.12.08 23:31:42 ] Velios > we are not attacking RA unless attacked first [ 2005.12.08 23:31:53 ] Velios > and clearly [ 2005.12.08 23:31:54 ] Daroh > peace talk cant be while u say that the war will start if we dont give u region [ 2005.12.08 23:32:23 ] Velios > will you allow us to live in insemother? [ 2005.12.08 23:32:42 ] Daroh > CWRA live there [ 2005.12.08 23:32:43 ] Velios > do you have any compromise? [ 2005.12.08 23:32:48 ] Daroh > and RUSH [ 2005.12.08 23:32:51 ] Velios > its a large region [ 2005.12.08 23:32:55 ] Daroh > yes i have [ 2005.12.08 23:33:03 ] Daroh > the compromise is: [ 2005.12.08 23:33:09 ] Daroh > 1. u leave 5 [ 2005.12.08 23:33:10 ] Velios > because you must understand [ 2005.12.08 23:33:14 ] Arsenio > we will not live there [ 2005.12.08 23:33:17 ] Daroh > 2. u set 5 - [ 2005.12.08 23:33:24 ] Arsenio > and Rages guys too [ 2005.12.08 23:33:25 ] Velios > that mcorp have always lived in these regions, shinra too [ 2005.12.08 23:33:25 ] Daroh > 3. u start attack GW [ 2005.12.08 23:33:37 ] Daroh > 4. then we will help u [ 2005.12.08 23:33:45 ] Velios > attack GW? [ 2005.12.08 23:33:49 ] Daroh > yes [ 2005.12.08 23:33:54 ] Velios > GW is npc stations [ 2005.12.08 23:34:03 ] Velios > attack what exactly [ 2005.12.08 23:34:14 ] Daroh > yep they are, then we can take any non RA region that u chouse [ 2005.12.08 23:35:47 ] Daroh > we need some guarantees that u realy wants us to be ur friends [ 2005.12.08 23:36:02 ] Arsenio > Why you dono like npc stations? wanna refine tax? ;) [ 2005.12.08 23:36:02 ] Daroh > our [ 2005.12.08 23:36:04 ] Velios > do you think I have been playing eve for 2.5 years to let somebody dictate my standings? [ 2005.12.08 23:36:22 ] Velios > thats pretty low [ 2005.12.08 23:36:37 ] Velios > you have the offer of our hand in friendship [ 2005.12.08 23:36:44 ] Velios > it is yours to take [ 2005.12.08 23:37:02 ] Arsenio > velios we are not noobs too [ 2005.12.08 23:37:06 ] Daroh > im plaing online games for 8 years and dont u think that im fool in online-games politics?
)) [ 2005.12.08 23:37:12 ] Velios > but there is and never can be neutrality in 0.0 [ 2005.12.08 23:38:23 ] Velios > i would rather see a productive relationship develop in an area where we both want to live than a destructive one [ 2005.12.08 23:38:31 ] Velios > because we are not going anywhere [ 2005.12.08 23:38:47 ] Velios > its not an option for us to leave curse and the surrounding regions [ 2005.12.08 23:38:53 ] Velios > we have been here all our lives [ 2005.12.08 23:39:16 ] Velios > all the leaders of our group want to see peace, we are not warmongers [ 2005.12.08 23:39:46 ] WarRages > then show due faith and agree to RA terms [ 2005.12.08 23:39:49 ] Daroh > u have 2 ways, start war with RA, accept our conditions. our conditions are not bad. [ 2005.12.08 23:40:09 ] Velios > but what are the RA terms? [ 2005.12.08 23:40:16 ] Velios > they have neber been presented [ 2005.12.08 23:40:33 ] Daroh > 1. leave 5 [ 2005.12.08 23:40:38 ] Daroh > 2. set 5 - [ 2005.12.08 23:40:39 ] Velios > yep [ 2005.12.08 23:40:41 ] Daroh > etc [ 2005.12.08 23:40:48 ] Velios > say again? [ 2005.12.08 23:40:58 ] Daroh > after conquer GW we will give u SP [ 2005.12.08 23:41:02 ] Daroh > ok? [ 2005.12.08 23:41:02 ] Velios > Daroh are you the leader of RA? [ 2005.12.08 23:41:08 ] Daroh > yes im [ 2005.12.08 23:41:25 ] Velios > these are frankly ridiculous terms [ 2005.12.08 23:41:25 ] WarRages > in other words set the 5 to negative standings [ 2005.12.08 23:41:26 ] Daroh > any questions? [ 2005.12.08 23:41:39 ] Velios > i have alternatives [ 2005.12.08 23:41:49 ] Velios > 1. leave 5 [ 2005.12.08 23:42:08 ] Velios > 2. neutralise all standings except RA+ [ 2005.12.08 23:42:21 ] Velios > 3 Attack any neutrals that come to insemother [ 2005.12.08 23:42:30 ] WarRages > why will you not set the 5 to negative standings? [ 2005.12.08 23:42:35 ] Velios > we are not interested in conquest [ 2005.12.08 23:42:44 ] Velios > because i see no need to [ 2005.12.08 23:42:51 ] Velios > if they come they will die [ 2005.12.08 23:43:01 ] Arsenio > velios your friend strang spoke that atuk will leave in BOB, is it truth [ 2005.12.08 23:43:02 ] Velios > all neutrals die [ 2005.12.08 23:43:04 ] Daroh > we cant give u insmother, and we cant set 5 neutrals [ 2005.12.08 23:43:20 ] Daroh > not 5, but ATUK [ 2005.12.08 23:43:50 ] Arsenio > And they will be hostile to you [ 2005.12.08 23:43:55 ] Arsenio > atuk [ 2005.12.08 23:43:58 ] Velios > is it true that CWRA are to join Chimera pact if insemother was offered to us? [ 2005.12.08 23:44:04 ] Velios > thats what they told us [ 2005.12.08 23:44:23 ] Velios > i am sure ATUK would love to go hostile to us [ 2005.12.08 23:44:35 ] Velios > they revel in backstabbing people every month [ 2005.12.08 23:44:40 ] WarRages > where are in insmother and will not leave it [ 2005.12.08 23:44:45 ] WarRages > we [ 2005.12.08 23:44:45 ] Velios > they did it TWICE in CA [ 2005.12.08 23:44:49 ] Velios > they did it to RA [ 2005.12.08 23:44:54 ] Daroh > all who backstab us will die [ 2005.12.08 23:44:55 ] Velios > they did it to XIII [ 2005.12.08 23:45:03 ] Daroh > we never do backstabs [ 2005.12.08 23:45:07 ] Arsenio > Velios my guys will not live insmother too [ 2005.12.08 23:45:10 ] Daroh > its for CWRA [ 2005.12.08 23:45:23 ] Velios > but we are not asking you to leave [ 2005.12.08 23:45:24 ] Daroh > i told CWRA that insmother will be their [ 2005.12.08 23:45:39 ] Velios > so you are leader of RA right [ 2005.12.08 23:45:43 ] Velios > top man [ 2005.12.08 23:45:44 ] WarRages > Velios we joined RA because you guys backstabbed us and said if we did not join the 5 and fight RA we would be KOS to the 5 [ 2005.12.08 23:45:46 ] Velios > top dog [ 2005.12.08 23:45:58 ] Arsenio > if i do this they will fuck up me, and rages help him too, i donot wanna this [ 2005.12.08 23:46:01 ] Daroh > Velios, Shinra backstab RA too [ 2005.12.08 23:46:06 ] Velios > M.Corp knew nothing of that WarRages [ 2005.12.08 23:46:09 ] Daroh > now u and Shinra backstab 5 [ 2005.12.08 23:46:13 ] Velios > we were only just new members of five then [ 2005.12.08 23:46:21 ] Velios > and we have no say in five council [ 2005.12.08 23:46:30 ] Velios > no [ 2005.12.08 23:46:40 ] Velios > we wish to leave the five because of their policies [ 2005.12.08 23:47:01 ] Velios > thats not backstabbing, be more careful with your choice of words [ 2005.12.08 23:47:19 ] Daroh > where u learned that type of talks? [ 2005.12.08 23:47:24 ] Daroh > ) [ 2005.12.08 23:48:00 ] Velios > i really see no reason why you cannot offer concessions to three corps, that will offer improved security [ 2005.12.08 23:48:04 ] Daroh > until u talking about war and any treath we cant talk about peace [ 2005.12.08 23:48:26 ] Daroh > u only offering [ 2005.12.08 23:48:27 ] Velios > and will fight to the death to defend RA regions should you grant us this one request [ 2005.12.08 23:48:32 ] Daroh > CWRA do [ 2005.12.08 23:48:45 ] Daroh > who is the better? who offering or who do? [ 2005.12.08 23:49:08 ] Velios > nice [ 2005.12.08 23:49:15 ] Daroh > i told [ 2005.12.08 23:49:20 ] Velios > well I guess this is going nowhere [ 2005.12.08 23:49:26 ] Daroh > that we need insure [ 2005.12.08 23:49:32 ] Velios > i have been tag-teamed [ 2005.12.08 23:49:53 ] WarRages > its not that its going no where we just need to be reassured [ 2005.12.08 23:50:17 ] Velios > yes but even with assurances you offer nothing to the table [ 2005.12.08 23:50:31 ] Daroh > Velios, first that u should do is leave the five, then we can talk about peace etc [ 2005.12.08 23:50:42 ] Velios > well we need a name [ 2005.12.08 23:50:47 ] Velios > can you help with that [ 2005.12.08 23:50:55 ] Daroh > ) [ 2005.12.08 23:51:01 ] Daroh > no [ 2005.12.08 23:51:26 ] WarRages > honestly when i was told you guys were leaving the 5, i said this great and i can see a good thing coming out of it [ 2005.12.08 23:52:22 ] Velios > thats what we are aiming for [ 2005.12.08 23:52:31 ] Daroh > yep, i dont see the confirmation of ur words that u dont like ATUKs any more etc [ 2005.12.08 23:52:37 ] Velios > its very difficult to shrug off five baggage [ 2005.12.08 23:53:05 ] WarRages > its like i said m8t most here no and have seen how the 5 work and operate [ 2005.12.08 23:53:06 ] Arsenio > Tell it to sweeny, tell your story to marines ;) [ 2005.12.08 23:53:17 ] WarRages > and this causes huge mistrust [ 2005.12.08 23:53:41 ] Daroh > the BEST confirmation for us will be - from u to The Five and some kills...then we can talk about Scalding Pass [ 2005.12.08 23:53:50 ] Daroh > im not lier [ 2005.12.08 23:54:09 ] Daroh > the first step must be yours [ 2005.12.08 23:54:46 ] Daroh > i cant just say to our fighters that we give u region [ 2005.12.08 23:55:00 ] Daroh > they will ask me why? [ 2005.12.08 23:55:31 ] Daroh > and what u should answer? that u offering help of defending our regions? [ 2005.12.08 23:56:23 ] Daroh > why we set XIII +? [ 2005.12.08 23:56:32 ] Arsenio > Prove that you are ready to go on rapproachement [ 2005.12.08 23:56:50 ] Daroh > they backstab us but then they make their choise [ 2005.12.08 23:57:00 ] Velios > sorry had to get phone, can i catch up? :) [ 2005.12.08 23:57:00 ] Arsenio > And we shall think about friendship [ 2005.12.08 23:57:02 ] Daroh > they made first step [ 2005.12.08 23:57:03 ] Arsenio > Until hell freezes over [ 2005.12.08 23:57:09 ] Daroh > and we made second [ 2005.12.08 23:57:22 ] Daroh > sure [ 2005.12.08 23:58:41 ] Velios > im gonna invite a good friend if thats ok [ 2005.12.08 23:59:09 ] Daroh > ok [ 2005.12.09 00:00:09 ] Velios > Strang please leave, ill fill you in later [ 2005.12.09 00:00:15 ] strang > ok [ 2005.12.09 00:00:19 ] strang > o/ bye all [ 2005.12.09 00:00:26 ] WarRages > o/ [ 2005.12.09 00:00:27 ] Velios > thanks mate [ 2005.12.09 00:00:31 ] Daroh > cu [ 2005.12.09 00:00:50 ] Drilla > o/ [ 2005.12.09 00:00:55 ] Velios > i am pleased at least that you fine folks are still willing to talk [ 2005.12.09 00:00:57 ] Daroh > hi [ 2005.12.09 00:00:57 ] WarRages > lo [ 2005.12.09 00:01:09 ] Velios > Drilla is a good friend of mine [ 2005.12.09 00:01:16 ] Velios > we once ran Keiretsu together [ 2005.12.09 00:01:19 ] Drilla > And Shinra diplomat :) [ 2005.12.09 00:01:27 ] Arsenio > so my friends [ 2005.12.09 00:01:28 ] Velios > an alliance that came to the aid of RA when attacked by Foundation [ 2005.12.09 00:01:29 ] Arsenio > Let's postpone it up to tomorrow [ 2005.12.09 00:01:38 ] Arsenio > i want to sleep [ 2005.12.09 00:01:59 ] Daroh > Drilla do u have e-mail? ) i will send u log of chat [ 2005.12.09 00:02:00 ] Drilla > give us 20 minutes [ 2005.12.09 00:02:01 ] Velios > im sure we can continue we have the RA leader Daroh here [ 2005.12.09 00:02:10 ] Drilla > drilla@pvp.dk [ 2005.12.09 00:02:12 ] Daroh > ok [ 2005.12.09 00:02:33 ] Velios > right Drilla [ 2005.12.09 00:02:41 ] Velios > what could have been simple [ 2005.12.09 00:02:46 ] Velios > has become a nighmare [ 2005.12.09 00:02:51 ] Velios > and we are out of time [ 2005.12.09 00:03:30 ] Velios > the offer of friendship from mcorp, shinra and ukc is there. [ 2005.12.09 00:03:32 ] Velios > they know this [ 2005.12.09 00:03:36 ] Velios > but [ 2005.12.09 00:03:58 ] Velios > It seems RA territory does not belong to RA itself, but its individual corps [ 2005.12.09 00:04:09 ] Daroh > but some dreadnoughts and treath of war.... [ 2005.12.09 00:04:10 ] Velios > in the case of insemother RUSH and CWRA [ 2005.12.09 00:04:37 ] Drilla > ok [ 2005.12.09 00:04:51 ] Drilla > Daroh - leave the semantics out please :) [ 2005.12.09 00:04:54 ] Velios > they naturally are reluctant to believe our claims of friendship, and instead wish to dictate our standings in an ireparable way as proof [ 2005.12.09 00:05:11 ] Drilla > Hmm [ 2005.12.09 00:05:14 ] Drilla > Cant accept that [ 2005.12.09 00:05:37 ] Velios > what i will agree to is this... [ 2005.12.09 00:05:50 ] Velios > anyone that comes to insemother with hostile intentions will die [ 2005.12.09 00:06:01 ] Velios > if they attack any RA member they will die [ 2005.12.09 00:06:29 ] Velios > all we ask is for a slace of the VAST and undefendable regions you occupy [ 2005.12.09 00:06:58 ] Velios > yould you rather enemies conqured the land or hand it out to those that will fight your cause in the heartlands [ 2005.12.09 00:07:13 ] Daroh > we cant give u Insmother stations. we cant give u anything (and standing too) until u in 5. and we need to see that u realy want friendship [ 2005.12.09 00:07:46 ] Velios > and when we leave 5 [ 2005.12.09 00:07:48 ] Daroh > we have corps living there [ 2005.12.09 00:07:49 ] Drilla > So if we leave we can have the stations? [ 2005.12.09 00:08:00 ] Velios > which we fully intend to do as soonas we have a groovy name [ 2005.12.09 00:08:15 ] Velios > you could say that about all ra regions daroh [ 2005.12.09 00:08:55 ] Velios > we have some fantastic military powers we wish to place on your side of the wall [ 2005.12.09 00:09:08 ] Velios > surely that must be a benefit [ 2005.12.09 00:09:09 ] Arsenio > Drilla [ 2005.12.09 00:09:14 ] Arsenio > see my mail [ 2005.12.09 00:09:18 ] Arsenio > drilla@pvp.dk [ 2005.12.09 00:09:29 ] Daroh > no, u need to set ATUK "-" first and some kills will be good too, and we can help u to conqer GW or any other non RA region [ 2005.12.09 00:09:41 ] Arsenio > with full log [ 2005.12.09 00:09:46 ] Arsenio > bb ppl [ 2005.12.09 00:09:52 ] Daroh > i dont need "fantastic offers" like great power [ 2005.12.09 00:10:04 ] Daroh > we have realy good friends like CWRA [ 2005.12.09 00:10:21 ] Daroh > they realy help us and thats what we like [ 2005.12.09 00:11:01 ] Velios > i am sure they are exemplary alliance members [ 2005.12.09 00:11:08 ] Daroh > and we dont like when u say that if we dont give u region the war will begin [ 2005.12.09 00:11:31 ] Daroh > its not for diplomatic discussions [ 2005.12.09 00:11:32 ] Velios > well its a horrible thing isnt it [ 2005.12.09 00:11:38 ] Velios > no it is not [ 2005.12.09 00:11:48 ] WarRages > the five and its sponsored corps come and attack us in all the regions so i'm just lost why you will not set them to negative? [ 2005.12.09 00:12:17 ] Daroh > i didnt say that its horrible but when u talking so the only think i can unswer that let the war begin ( [ 2005.12.09 00:12:17 ] Velios > five still have sponsor corps? [ 2005.12.09 00:12:40 ] Velios > well in eve there is only peace or war [ 2005.12.09 00:12:44 ] Drilla > Five doesn't have sponsor corps outside syndicate [ 2005.12.09 00:12:44 ] Velios > we want peace [ 2005.12.09 00:12:54 ] Daroh > WarRages they are - now ) [ 2005.12.09 00:13:02 ] Drilla > Daroh - I have an alternative suggestion [ 2005.12.09 00:13:38 ] Drilla > this is just off my head [ 2005.12.09 00:13:42 ] Drilla > havn't spoken to my guys [ 2005.12.09 00:13:59 ] Drilla > We know that CWRA holds C-J very dear [ 2005.12.09 00:14:01 ] Daroh > the best thing that can insure me is u fighting with me against our enemies together [ 2005.12.09 00:14:34 ] Drilla > so we start with N7, F2A and JLO - and prove our friendship [ 2005.12.09 00:14:55 ] Daroh > Drilla, we dont have corps-regions, all RA will help CWRA to defend their region [ 2005.12.09 00:14:57 ] Drilla > dealing with the people attacking RA space [ 2005.12.09 00:15:31 ] Drilla > Then after an agreed amount of time after we've proven ourselves as true friends we change JLO for C-J [ 2005.12.09 00:15:48 ] Drilla > That will give CWRA alot of time to prepare as a corp, you gain a powerfull ally [ 2005.12.09 00:15:56 ] Drilla > and we get this off the ground [ 2005.12.09 00:16:19 ] Daroh > hm u should start from leaving 5 and fight with us against any our enemy [ 2005.12.09 00:16:37 ] Daroh > its the only way to make us friends [ 2005.12.09 00:16:47 ] Drilla > and we think you should start with giving us the terrirtory :) [ 2005.12.09 00:16:53 ] Drilla > this way we compromise [ 2005.12.09 00:17:02 ] Drilla > we get the three stations, and we prove ourselves [ 2005.12.09 00:17:03 ] Daroh > i dont think that just giving u stations can sure our members that u realy become friends [ 2005.12.09 00:17:10 ] Drilla > when you are satisfied we change JLO for C-J [ 2005.12.09 00:17:46 ] Drilla > Daroh, you can always take it back - we both know that [ 2005.12.09 00:17:52 ] WarRages > so you want 2 refineries... O.o, which provide isk for the alliance [ 2005.12.09 00:17:58 ] Drilla > The whole reason we are talking to you is to avoid POS wars [ 2005.12.09 00:18:01 ] Daroh > its impossible coz it makes RA crushed be own members that will never accept it [ 2005.12.09 00:18:07 ] Daroh > *by [ 2005.12.09 00:18:45 ] Drilla > We just want 3 stations, either close together or same region [ 2005.12.09 00:18:57 ] Drilla > JLO is close to F2A and N7 [ 2005.12.09 00:19:05 ] Drilla > it's not about the refineries [ 2005.12.09 00:20:25 ] Daroh > wait 30 sec [ 2005.12.09 00:20:45 ] Drilla > RA will get JLO back when we get C-J [ 2005.12.09 00:21:02 ] Drilla > and in the mean time we prove our friendship and help you out against the people invading your space [ 2005.12.09 00:21:36 ] Velios > /emote nods [ 2005.12.09 00:22:17 ] Velios > make no mistake though we are not a roaming invading force [ 2005.12.09 00:22:35 ] Velios > we have no interest in that anymore [ 2005.12.09 00:22:41 ] Velios > homeland defence only [ 2005.12.09 00:23:06 ] Drilla > and helping RA when they are being invaded [ 2005.12.09 00:23:18 ] Drilla > we know you have at least two regions under attacj [ 2005.12.09 00:23:21 ] Drilla > attack [ 2005.12.09 00:23:39 ] Daroh > just understand that we cant give u anything before u leave 5 and insure me by start killing our enemies like CHIMP that u realy friends. and we cant give u any station in Insmother. if u cant understand it how can we be friends? [ 2005.12.09 00:23:47 ] Drilla > and intel about something else some of your enemies are working on [ 2005.12.09 00:24:01 ] Daroh > u must do first step not us [ 2005.12.09 00:24:25 ] WarRages > intel? [ 2005.12.09 00:24:47 ] Daroh > Drilla, we are not afraid [ 2005.12.09 00:24:59 ] Drilla > Daroh - we cant leave the alliance, create our own alliance and then just live in your space [ 2005.12.09 00:25:05 ] Drilla > something for something [ 2005.12.09 00:25:33 ] Daroh > its u asking for region not me, u need it, not me [ 2005.12.09 00:25:41 ] Daroh > so u do first step [ 2005.12.09 00:25:43 ] Drilla > We offering something and you are saying we have to offer more before you'll offer anything [ 2005.12.09 00:25:55 ] Daroh > we dont need anything [ 2005.12.09 00:26:00 ] Drilla > You are gaining our PVP force [ 2005.12.09 00:26:10 ] Drilla > ok - you dont need us to attack the invaders? [ 2005.12.09 00:26:16 ] Daroh > we wanna help u if u REALY want to be friends [ 2005.12.09 00:26:29 ] Drilla > We WANT too [ 2005.12.09 00:26:29 ] Velios > we are obviously worthless to them drilla [ 2005.12.09 00:26:38 ] Drilla > but you are making it impossible for us to show it [ 2005.12.09 00:26:49 ] Drilla > Seems so Velios [ 2005.12.09 00:26:58 ] Daroh > we have enouth friends to defend and attack but u know that friends cant be too much [ 2005.12.09 00:26:59 ] Drilla > They dont want us allies [ 2005.12.09 00:27:21 ] Daroh > show it? [ 2005.12.09 00:27:36 ] Daroh > set ATUK - and u will show it [ 2005.12.09 00:27:47 ] Drilla > How does that show it? [ 2005.12.09 00:27:52 ] Daroh > start to attack CHIMP and u will show it [ 2005.12.09 00:28:01 ] Drilla > if we set ATUK - you'll give us Insmother with all 3 stations? [ 2005.12.09 00:28:02 ] Daroh > isnt it hard? [ 2005.12.09 00:28:13 ] Drilla > if we do that we get all of Insmother? [ 2005.12.09 00:28:16 ] Daroh > i told that we cant give u insmother [ 2005.12.09 00:28:18 ] Drilla > set ATUK - and attack CHIMP [ 2005.12.09 00:28:31 ] Velios > Will insemother ever be on the table? [ 2005.12.09 00:28:36 ] Drilla > Yes [ 2005.12.09 00:28:36 ] Daroh > no [ 2005.12.09 00:28:42 ] Drilla > Velios - good question [ 2005.12.09 00:28:46 ] Drilla > ok - nothing more to talk about then [ 2005.12.09 00:28:50 ] Daroh > insmother is untouchable [ 2005.12.09 00:28:51 ] Drilla > o/ [ 2005.12.09 00:29:09 ] Daroh > ok thats all? [ 2005.12.09 00:29:18 ] Daroh > Velios? any questions? [ 2005.12.09 00:29:19 ] Velios > thanks for your time folks [ 2005.12.09 00:29:23 ] Daroh > ok cu [ 2005.12.09 00:29:27 ] Velios > no mate, its all good [ 2005.12.09 00:29:53 ] Daroh > u see? [ 2005.12.09 00:29:55 ] WarRages > fuck them :P [ 2005.12.09 00:30:04 ] Daroh > im not lier and u REALY our friends [ 2005.12.09 00:30:07 ] Daroh > not them [ 2005.12.09 00:30:18 ] Daroh > we will fight for our Insmother [ 2005.12.09 00:30:23 ] Daroh > together ) [ 2005.12.09 00:30:26 ] WarRages > yea i know i trust this alliance [ 2005.12.09 00:30:37 ] WarRages > and you guys :P [ 2005.12.09 00:30:41 ] Daroh > russians never backstab war friends [ 2005.12.09 00:30:59 ] Daroh > ) [ 2005.12.09 00:31:00 ] WarRages > and like i told corak m8t CWRA fights for RA [ 2005.12.09 00:32:36 ] Daroh > ok so now we need to fuck them )) [ 2005.12.09 00:32:49 ] Daroh > and we will do ) [ 2005.12.09 00:33:11 ] WarRages > yep already begun m8t , we have put up more pos's in CJ so they will have to bring dreads to take them down [ 2005.12.09 00:33:21 ] Daroh > ok [ 2005.12.09 00:33:35 ] Daroh > dont hurry with POSes [ 2005.12.09 00:33:47 ] WarRages > k [ 2005.12.09 00:33:57 ] Daroh > the tactic is to make them poor [ 2005.12.09 00:34:09 ] Daroh > they put pos -> we kill it [ 2005.12.09 00:34:41 ] Daroh > we have 3+ dreads now and 3 more getting ready [ 2005.12.09 00:35:20 ] WarRages > cool [ 2005.12.09 00:36:23 ] Daroh > ok now i will post message on forum [ 2005.12.09 00:36:24 ] Daroh > ) [ 2005.12.09 00:36:40 ] WarRages > sweet [ 2005.12.09 00:37:16 ] Daroh > omg i named myself alliance leader ))) lol, im not but im sure there is not way back ) [ 2005.12.09 00:37:23 ] Daroh > haha [ 2005.12.09 00:37:38 ] Daroh > ok, 90% of alliance will accept my opinion [ 2005.12.09 00:37:38 ] WarRages > lol, shit i like it Daroh is leader :P [ 2005.12.09 00:38:44 ] Daroh > i close convo to make log [ 2005.12.09 00:38:51 ] WarRages > rgr